Norman gives a talk on “This Very mind Is Buddha” Case 30 Of the Mumonkan (Wumenguan, Gateless Barrier) to the Mountain Rain Zen Center retreat May 2019. http://edz-audio.s3.amazonaws.com/MountainRainRetreat2019/01_ThisVeryMindIsBuddha_MountainRain2019_2019-05-04.mp3